Lot of European countries with "Medicare for all" the same colour as the US on that map vash.

Do try to make one post which is not self defeating.

It feels like it's an especially bad self own when it's a picture though.

You think it's quite reasonable for a person in a position of high power to say that Injecting disinfectant into people is a reasonable thing that 'medical doctors' should look into?

You think it's quite reasonable for a person in a position of high power to say that Injecting disinfectant into people is a reasonable thing that 'medical doctors' should look into?

In context it really isn't that crazy. He isn't saying grab some drano and boot up.

And before you jump down my throat. I took 10 seconds to have a look if anyone credentialed had looked into it. Turns out they have.

hydrogen peroxide inhalers actually have been looked at for specifically treating coronavirus.

Another household name for hydrogen peroxide is bleach. Very commonly used as a household disinfectant.

If your objection is the president shouldn't be spit balling on tv then ok. But that's the objection.

As for the sarcasm. Well trolling the media is his past time.

You think it's quite reasonable for a person in a position of high power to say that Injecting disinfectant into people is a reasonable thing that 'medical doctors' should look into?

is there a way we can do something like that

The 'something like that' he was referring to was the cleaning of surfaces, with disinfectants. He wanted to clean peoples insides, with disinfectant, by injection.

knocks it out in a minute, one minute

Yes, something like that. Something like disinfectant, you could inject straight into people.

Disinfectants aren't necessarily poisonous to humans so I really don't understand why you'd fill in that blank with an obviously dangerous chemical.

He has no business speculating about experimental medical treatments

The reason Trump was referring to disinfectant is because it was on the big screen TV moments before he was talking. Then he took a leap from cleaning surfaces to injecting disenfectant into people. Like the ones that he saw on the TV.

The NY and California governors are sadly f*****g it up so let them stand by their records.

Because all I'm hearing is you don't like the president spitballing hypotheticals in press conferences.

UV catheters already exist to treat the respiratory tract.

It really does show you spent no more than ten seconds just trying to find an answer that suited a nonsense position that you've taken. Because this is really what a total lack of critical faculties looks like.

The FDA & disinfectant producers had to release warnings over the President's statements.

So was it taken out of context, or was he sarcastic, guys?

Also hot coffee can burn.

They said 4 today. I think they also said it's not turned on yet. Collects via bluetooth when it contacts another bluetooth phone with the app on. Also heard something about the pubs will expect patrons to have it. We are pretty keen to get back to pubs, clubs and restaurants.

US officials familiar with intelligence reporting and analysis have said ...they believe it was either introduced through human contact with wildlife at a meat market in the central city of Wuhan, or could have escaped from one of two Wuhan government laboratories believed to be conducting civilian research into possible biological hazards.

Conclusion
The wider public may be unaware that psychiatrists and social scientists spend considerable time and energy behind closed doors pondering over the existence and reality of mental conditions. This has led the APA to revise the DSM five times since 1952, considerably expanding the list of official mental disorders with each revision. As far as I am aware, few psychiatrists are currently arguing that DSM-6 should contain TDS as a mental disorder.

That said, in its official definition of mental disorder, the DSM-5 states that "a mental disorder is a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior…mental disorders are usually associated with significant distress in social, occupational, or other important activities."

Many have argued that some people have been seriously disturbed and distressed by the policies, speech, behavior, and tweets of President Trump, so much so that it has affected their cognitive, affective, and behavioral functioning. Such people may need mental health support. As such, further research is necessary to investigate the extreme reactions toward President Trump, in the same way that researchers investigate other extreme social phenomena, such as Beatlemania or the like. This will shed light on the reality of this emerging folk category that has been labelled by many as "Trump Derangement Syndrome."

The sheer hubris, to stand in front of the nation and the nation's best experts and honestly believe that he has had a eureka moment of value to the crisis.

To believe that he could have made a credible and useful insight here - the insight being 'disinfectant kills the virus very quickly on the benchtop, maybe we can use that as a therapy, I better tell everyone about it! I bet nobody thought of THAT! Let's get some doctors on it'

So we still don't know if he was being serious, but as usual we must try and find truth within his evasions and outright lies. I watched the interview a few times and see no evidence of sarcasm, and I don't think the likes of PP think he was being sarcastic either, because we have this desperate search for even remotely disinfectant-related therapies to back up his spit balling.

So we still don't know if he was being serious, but as usual we must try and find truth within his evasions and outright lies.

And you guys scramble to find excuses for it because not-Democrat.

If this was something that he had said during an internal briefing, it leaked and people were mocking him for it I would back him 100%.

Can you imagine if Julia or Kevin or Hillary or Joe or Trudeau went on like this during press conferences as the Head of State during a national emergency? Daily and without contrition? You'd be justifiably ropeable.

But you excuse him, and you also seem to have hand waved his lies and deflection about trolling the press like it doesn't matter.

Can you imagine if Julia or Kevin or Hillary or Joe or Trudeau went on like this during press conferences as the Head of State during a national emergency?

My interest in American politics is really around the woeful and damaging Federal Government response to the pandemic, and in particular how it is interpreted through the conservative prism.

Oh look Trog agrees with me.. but he can't see it as he runs TDSButthurt2.0 script to hide me.

Making a vaccine for this is basically like making a vaccine for the common cold. We have not done that before. The ingress point is up in the nasal cavity. That causes challenges. There is a slight slight slight chance... we could end up injecting a nasal spray a couple times a day to eliminate/reduce transmission at the ingress point. But what would I know? ask fpot... he's a genius.

I don't think Trump was being sarcastic either. I think he was talking out his arse, but media took what he said out of context... and people tend to absorb interviews with narration from d******* journalists who frame things out of context with spin. I doubt the average TDS suffered watched the interview objectively including the 5-10 minutes before he said that.

We don't have evidence to not rule out the lab.

This planet is huge. 20 miles up the road from the market is this lab. Coincidence? We are expected to believe them. They wouldn't know themselves if it was the lab or the market, or other... but they say "The market". It's like farting and pointing to the guy next to you.

Have you seen the Lego movie?

Here is a giant article ruling it out. I haven't read the whole thing. I'm sure it has a wonderful argument for why we should believe China that it did not escape as a result of activities at that lab. Remember I'm not saying it was purposely made, or anything silly like bioweapons. I'm wouldn't rule out accidental escape. again, from the article that says it was unlikely the lab:

Some have focused on the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).

In 2015, WIV became China's first lab to reach the highest level of bioresearch safety, or BSL-4, meaning the lab could host research on the world's most dangerous pathogens, such as Ebola and Marburg viruses. (SARS-CoV-2 would require a BSL-3 or higher, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.) Labs like these must follow strict safety guidelines that include filtering air, treating water and waste before they exit, and requiring lab personnel to shower and change their clothes before and after entering the facility, Nature News reported in 2017.

These types of labs do spur concerns among some scientists who worry about the risks involved and the potential impact on public health if anything were to go wrong, Nature News reported.

WIV was not immune to those concerns. In 2018, after scientist diplomats from the U.S. embassy in Beijing visited the WIV, they were so concerned by the lack of safety and management at the lab that the diplomats sent two official warnings back to the U.S. One of the official cables, obtained by The Washington Post, suggested that the lab's work on bat coronaviruses with the potential for human transmission could risk causing a new SARS-like pandemic, Post columnist Josh Rogin wrote.

"During interactions with scientists at the WIV laboratory, they noted the new lab has a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory," the officials said in their cable dated to Jan. 19, 2018.

When reports of the coronavirus first popped up in China, the U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor Matthew Pottinger reportedly suspected a potential link to China labs. In mid-January, according to a New York Times report, Pottinger asked intelligence agencies like the C.I.A., particularly individuals with expertise on Asia and weapons of mass destruction, to investigate this idea. They came up empty-handed, the Times reported.

Meanwhile, the lab at the center of these speculations had long been sounding the alarm about the risk of the SARS-like coronaviruses they studied to spawn a pandemic.

The head of the lab's bat-coronavirus research, Shi Zhengli, published research on Nov. 30, 2017 in the journal PLOS Pathogens that traced the SARS coronavirus pandemic in 2003 to a single population of horseshoe bats in a remote cave in Yunnan province. The researchers also noted that other SARS-like coronaviruses discovered in that cave used the ACE2 receptor to infect cells and could "replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells," they wrote. (Both SARS and SARS-CoV-2 use the ACE2 receptor as the entry point into cells.)

what is and isn't appropriate for a press conference

I would hope we could all agree that Trolling, Bald-faced lies and accusing the press of being the enemy of the people is pretty poor form for press conferences.

it's not like Trump did a coffee mug salute or wore a tan suit.

We can't

I would hope we could all agree

You can't, or we?

Could you explain why you think that Trolling, Bald-faced lies and accusing the press of being the enemy of the people is ok behaviour for official press briefings directed at the public?

Also, editorials aren't news but that guy is an idiot.

Trog: I don't think we have the capacity to add hundreds of thousands of tests to accommodate foreign visitors at the moment or anytime soon. Not to mention the cost of millions of hotel quarantine days and related public health management.

It's a huge amount of work and expense at the moment. I don't think we're there yet ... but if we have capacity to add hundreds of thousands of tests to our system, and the students pay for the costs of managing their return to Australia I guess it could work.

I just don't have confidence that we can do that, and the cost to the Australian people of f*****g it up is super high. I certainly don't want to pay for it.

yep for sure I suspect we're not yet at the point where we can do testing at that scale, but we hopefully will be soon. I suspect we're gonna be stuffing things up people's schnozzes for many years to come so I think it's only a matter of time before testing hits that level.

Because journalists have been using them as hobby horses for personal aggrandizement for years now. Which is why carefully worded statements which convey virtually no actual information is the norm in those things. They've been a waste of time for over a decade so there may as well be some sport in it. It's not like policy is being determined in the room.

It is weird that you would take pleasure in the fact that some people get frustrated when an influential politician who has a big impact on the fate of lives of millions (at least) just gets up and lies all the time. Why would that bring you pleasure? Why would someone else's misery and frustration - at something that you yourself practically admit is lying even if you can't bring yourself to say the literal words - make you happy? Genuine question.

It is weird that you would take pleasure in the fact that some people get frustrated when an influential politician who has a big impact on the fate of lives of millions (at least) just gets up and lies all the time.

Yes yes Barr has dropped the charges because it would make the people he and the team desperately want to look bad, look bad. You've really thought this one through. It's no coincidence that the person who -

a) assisted a foreign superpower attack their own country because
b) the attack was to interfere with the election in an effort to get that person elected and
c) committed crimes covering up the help he gave

But he is definitely the media's kryptonite. The MSM want to stop broadcasting his press conferences but they rate high and they need the ad revenue. HAHAHAHA

Yet somehow, there are those that take pleasure when people are discomfited by these (objectively?) bad things. They think it's funny and they "love" it when the media report on it, getting some weird pleasure about being able to laugh and point, saying "teehee TDS" like its all some big joke. I guess we could call it schadenfreude if we wanted to make it sound classy, but it just feels like the political equivalent of laughing when an old person slips in the shower and breaks their hip. e.g., what a self-own!

So surely there's some point where you go "huh, maybe it's actually /not/ funny? That the media is simply not equipped to deal with this kind of person as President?

why do you think you and the many others out there take so much pleasure in other people getting upset by Trump's objectively bad behaviour?

The reason infi and co like trump so much is because they're excited by the fact that someone as callous, incompetent and unfit to lead as them is enjoying such success and popularity. It helps feed the only part of them actually alive - the part that fools them into thinking they aren't complete and utter scum. They're also excited by the fact that someone who is willing and able to inflict cruelty on subhuman filth is in power and able to get away with anything.

No amount of reasoning or explaining will make any difference.

Pay for good journalism; find the news that /matters/ (e.g., what politicians /do/ vs what they /say/) and be informed by it.

Find a source you can trust. Do your own research.

It's funny because the previously revered 4th estate is destroying itself through greed and thirst for clicks - it's funny because they created Trump, and now they complain about it.

He would disavow such activity just as he did with Charlottesville.

Name one politician whose morals you believe are noteworthy.

Oh yeh he really jumped on that and disavowed it so quickly, thoroughly and clearly that 3 years later the "there are good people on both sides" comment has simply faded from memory and not become an everlasting gobstopper in the wide selection of stupid comments..

I was wondering why #Obamagate was trending today...

Anything to distract from the disaster that is continuing to unfold.

a) trump assisted a foreign superpower in an attack against the USA
b) the attack was to install trump as president
c) trump committed crimes covering up the assistance he gave to the attack.

"There is no precedent that anybody can find for someone who has been charged with perjury just getting off scot-free," he said. "That's the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried that basic - not just institutional norms - but our basic understanding of rule of law is at risk."

I don't think there are enough of them to be a big enough buffer

Its becoming more clear these are true, with Flynn being let off now.

"There is no precedent that anybody can find for someone who has been charged with perjury just getting off scot-free," he said. "That's the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried that basic - not just institutional norms - but our basic understanding of rule of law is at risk."

Called it.

throwing $200m into a black hole. uber dumb.

Social distancing is a con job. A sneeze travels up to 8m.

the 1.5m is stated as a precaution against human particle expulsion which is not effective.

Source?

Social distancing is a con job. A sneeze travels up to 8m. It gives people a false sense of security. Either don't go out or wear barrier protection.

I have 3 ply civilian and KN95 masks for sale. Plastic shields if you are dealing with people expelling blood, and other droplets. Hand sanitiser arriving next week.

The problem with that proposition is that during normal breathing, particle expulsion is virtually non-existant. The other problematic contact is physical contact.

This is a pretty special sentence. What is it with you people? You know viruses are very small, and the mist that forms on glass from the virtually non-existent droplets in your breath could contain thousands if not millions of viruses if you were infected right? And that if a person got too close, let's say within about 1.5m , that person could become infected?

its probably going to do more damage in the long term because its going to take them much longer to actually get rid of the virus.

There are too many of the "liberty and rights" brigade that will not tolerate the sort of lockdown that would be necessary to try to burn it out at this stage - I suspect at this stage the numbers might show there's just no getting on top of it without genuinely crushing their economy now.

The left : Trump shouldn't tell people to take a drug. He isn't a doctor
Also the left : Trump shouldn't take that drug, it will kill him.

More than 1,000 "high risk" health workers are set to be given daily doses of anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine to test how well it can ward off coronavirus.

"We're trying to move beyond opinion to generate rigorous scientific evidence," said rheumatologist Ian Wicks, from Melbourne's Walter and Eliza Hall Institute of Medical Research.

Professor Wicks and fellow researcher Marc Pellegrini hope to recruit 2,250 "high risk" frontline and allied health workers around Australia for the trial.

Studies say it has its uses, while you have COVID.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7102587/

Taking it as a preventative is pretty stupid though, considering its a drug more risky than most. You'd want to use it if you're severely symptomatic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/health/chloroquine-coronavirus-trump.html

Deaths in a Brazil trial from Chloroquine, and heart issues with hydroxychloroquine in another trial.

Unbiased news by our "most trusted" news service.

We're so immune to the constant uproar under Trump, this "scandal" was easy to miss.

Huh. FDA has a lot to say about it apparently. Even in the title link of the page you posted.

FDA cautions against use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems

Ya, so lets tell everyone that they should run out and get on it. While we're on it, they should probably inject some disinfectant too. Also, get that Sunlight inside, through your skin or, you know, some other way.

Can you literally not comprehend what the issue is here?

I can't afford to live in mum's basement while waiting tables between arts degree work. My daily late, youtube no-ads, stan, netflix, and the latest iphone costs money man. I'm not responsible for any of it... someone is to blame... Donald, Hasnon, Morrison.... I'll blame the boomers!!! and later, now that I've damaged my superannuation I'll scream about the entitlement of old age pension. Down with capitalism. This wouldn't have happened if the government owned and run everything and people dancing in circles with joy... just like in other comrade nations.

https://www.abc.net.au/cm/lb/12283866/data/accessing-super-early---age-data.jpghttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-25/coronavirus-early-access-superannuation-young-people/12282546

The World Health Organization (WHO) has suspended testing of the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine in coronavirus patients due to safety concerns

They're always the bitter, twisted, milquetoast types so they stand out.

There's lots of different reasons trump supporters are constantly bitter. To be a trump supporter you need to be a spiteful, hate filled liar and people like that are never happy no matter what happens. The only reason to be glad about trump being elected is if you're eager for the cruelty and suffering he promises to inflict, either intentionally through sheer malice or unintentionally through vast incompetence.

I hope twitter gets a good smack over the nose. It is a great platform if it allows free speech.

not sure if twitter are too dumb to realise they've f***ed themselves into a corner or not now though. are they going to wuss out and stop doing it? put their foot down and decide they're going to be the one social media platform that believes in an objective reality?

Manged to gloss straight over the only important paragraph in that article there scooter.

Maybe they can move on to figuring out how China lost control of the disease and cost the world around 30% of global GDP.

not sure if twitter are too dumb to realise they've f***ed themselves into a corner or not now though. are they going to wuss out and stop doing it? put their foot down and decide they're going to be the one social media platform that believes in an objective reality?

trump has no choice (or at least, no ability) to de-escalate. he literally started sockpuppeting on the whitehouse.gov account and twitter stomped it as well!

twitter has proven they're finally willing to up the ante. it would not surprise me if they have a war room of people thinking up new features to test over the weekend to try to glad-hand the dude a little bit more politely.

to blatantly break the rules

Twitter should jump on that last tweet with a fact check; I just looked at that Muriel Bowser's tweeter and it makes it clear that DC police were, in fact, there and involved

Has a political manifesto been released by 'antifa' in relation to riots?

Also, interesting that this is your first comment on the whole issue. Was Floyd murdered? Is there an issue of systemic discrimination against black people, particularly regarding black males, in the US?

It's becoming more "us vs them" in America. How will the Government decide who is Antifa? They aren't an organisation. Shoot any protestor who wears a hoodie & mask?

They don't need to decide, it's just anyone they want to be a terrorist will now be a terrorist.

Here we go again.
Its the Governors fault!@#

You might as well just not bother posting, Infi, and link donnie tweets.

Also,
The FBI Finds ‘No Intel Indicating Antifa Involvement’ in Sunday’s Violence

https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/antifa-trump-fbi/

Also,
The FBI Finds ‘No Intel Indicating Antifa Involvement’ in Sunday’s Violence

Silly WHO, saying a dangerous drug is dangerous;

A Guardian investigation can reveal the US-based company Surgisphere, whose handful of employees appear to include a science fiction writer and an adult-content model, has provided data for multiple studies on Covid-19 co-authored by its chief executive, but has so far failed to adequately explain its data or methodology.

David Boulware, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of Minnesota and the study’s senior investigator, said he launched the trial because hydroxychloroquine had shown signs in a lab setting that it might be effective against the virus.

Quick look at this dead black guy to distract from over a century of institutional racism and extra-judicial killing of black people by the police. Things really are equal.

The WHO, meanwhile, resumed its trial of hydroxychloroquine, saying its safety experts concluded there was no reason to discontinue it.

Where did he say just grab a box of this s*** and take it with out consulting a doctor?