Never have I been so embarrassed supporting Australian Rugby then on Saturday Night. Wendall, Wendall, Wendall where is your head son, this is Union not League, WTF happened to Burkes kicking and why oh why was Latham injected into the game once it was lost. This team has no heart compared to teams of the past, no direction and clearly no core to build around. Eddie Jones has failed as a coach to create a coherent flowing game play for the team, and their performance showed it.

Hats off to the All Blacks for a damaging diplay of Union Skill, thank god Stacey Jones was a little off on the night.

Eddie if for some remote chance that you read this, YOU SUCK!!! here are some fundamental changes for you to make,

League converts off the bench only!!!!
Chris Latham Full Back
Mathew Burke Wing

Some of the regulars did do a good job, as individuals, George Smith, Kefu, Flatley, and Phil Ward played good but not exceptional games.

Eddie Jones fix the Wallabies to be competetive or ROT IN HELL U BASTARD!!!

thats understandable, I mean if hunter posted tips I'd be taking them onboard immediately

MoGs while I don't blame Wendall directly, I still find it hard that he gets a run on position on the wing when he can't kick, he would be well utilised off the bench as an impact player, the same with Tequri, while proven wingers do there job, like Burke and Roff run on. Tequri and Wendall are both talented footballers, but they are not tallented Union Wingers.

Boring and useless sums up Union pretty well i think...

australia are going through a rebuilding stage, just like nz did for the last 2 years. they have lost all the oldskool players and the remaining ones are past the use by date. aus have to suck it up, take some losses and throw in young talented players and give them some international experience. im just glad this happened to nz a couple years ago and not WC year.

Rebuilding stage, you've got to be joking, this is more like the demolition stage. I'm not sure of the old guard that you talk about, as I know of only 3 players that are ready for pasture, Joe Roff, Matthew Burke and Toutai Kefu (who is still a damned fine player but is going to Japan for semi-retirememnt and spend more time with his family) the rest are still going strong. Talking of old guard what about Stacey Jones Carlos Spencer for FFS.

The problem is too much focus on the league converts, only Matty Burke has been any good (reality check required if you think differently) and even then it would be for a bench seat, and the inconsistency of the coaching to play a solid core every match, and playing as you said oldsckool union.

EDIT: thanks vielside was suffeeing a major brain implosion and started thinking League...

ok so not so much losing players but gregan, burke, kefu, larkham are all past their use by date, but the thing is australia dont really have good enough/experienced players to replace these oldskool players. also dont doubt that the fact eales leaving effected the team. both him and sean fitzpatrick may not have been great players but they sure knew how to lead a team. unlike gregan and thorne. also stacey jones wtf, are u refering to king carlos (carlos spencer?)

^^ as I corrected my self like 10minutes ago to King Carlos, WTF where you reading...

i dont think eddie jones can fix the problem;
i dont like him at all;

Well it seemed to me these useless rugby league converts were the only bloody ones doing anything Gumby - who got two of the three tries, and who had the major involvement in the other one?

I agree though, I don't like the job Eddie Jones is doing, even though he has come in at a tougher time than McQueen did.

Yes Sailor made a mistake they got a couple of tries when he was missing.
However, I think the way NZ was playing they would would have been cutting apart the wings (where the thinnest defense is shock) no matter who was playing.
I know you shouldn't run off without support, but f***, sometimes it's worth trying anyway if there is actually a gap, and hoping your team can get there in support and you beat the defense.
It's pretty s*** just watching forward after forward get the ball, run into five defenders maybe make a metre or two, do this five times then get the ball turned over anyway.

Since they scored most of the tries by an overlap, you think that's the wingers fault?

Its not the wingers fault its everyone in the teams. The forwards for not slowing it down so the backs to re-collect and for not pilfering the ball. The inside backs for being drawn in more which pulls the wings in more. And the outside backs for coming in to fill holes.

Its got nothing to do with the wings. Its the whole team. If the backs get pulled in to defend then they all move in.

EDIT: That said it often is the dells fault. He is s*** at defence and there is nothing you can do about it. He doesnt know how to compete with multiple people in defence as hes been in one on one league defence for too long.

When a team gets run around its becuase their opposites draw their oppoites in. Thus shortening the line. If the wing just gets run around then its their fault. (the wingers that is)

I watched the first half, then shock I watched the Broncos in league lol so I missed the second half.....it was pretty much over at half time anyway.
I saw Sailor miss that tackle one on one, definitely a bad miss. Missed the Tuquiri ones though. I agree with Q, the whole team just didn't do well enough, and everyone suffered.
I am just of the opinion that Sailor and Rodgers are good in the team, they provide some attacking spark, they just happened to all get blown away by a better Kiwi team on the night.
Maybe Sailor isn't the best defender, but I think he has scored 5 tries in his last 4 tests so he is going ok there.
I guess it depends on your preference, I like to see guys who have a bit of skill breaking through defense individually and maybe starting something.

League converts off the bench only!!!!
Chris Latham Full Back
Mathew Burke Wing

From my original post, as you can see I would use Wendall's flair as an impact player off the bench, same with Tequri. Rodgers I would use in the backs off the bench. I don't believe any of them deserve a starting birth with players like Latham on the bench.

The dell cant defend and we need good defense. The fullback spot needs to attack more and burke doesnt provide this. Whether you have matt rogers or chris latham all depends on who is in form. Latham went out of form again before he got benched. Rogers is playing pretty well.

The biggest problem with australi ATM is the forwards. The front row ESPECIALLY is in DIRE straights. Serious effot needs to be put into out forwards. Currently losing lineouts and at the break down is gonna continue to lose us games unless something drastic is done about it. Whether it be a total rework or HEAVY training for all the guys in. The lineouts ATM are a joke. George smith back in is a great thing. As is larkham. Gotta get that offenseive edge back.

It doesnt matter. Gregan, passion or not, is easily the best half back in the country and in the world. Without passion he still manages to excel and tries VERY HARD regardless. I dont think it matters.

I think he has team spirit. Passion is a different thing.

well you obviously dont know s***, kefu is the best #8 in the world and Gregan is the best scrum half, and larkham is one of the best five eighths... Burke is slow and old and chris latham is aging too but still has great attacking flair.

Wendell Sailor has been one of their better backs offensively, making opportunities and running at the opposition. Matt Rogers has been a great attacking back also, i havent seen much of his defense but he has showed great composure also.

The forwards have lacked a fair bit so far this season, weak in the scrum and poor in the lineouts, George Smith and Kefu being the only half reasonable performers.

I would have to say i htink it is most probably the coaching, the team has great talent and has done well in seasons past, although it may just be the team needs to play a few games and get some teamwork and some feel for themselves as a team.

i dont know s*** huh? trust me ive seen this happen with the all blacks. i expect a decline over the next year - 2 years in the wallaby camp. ppl will retire and you will have no ppl ready to replace them with any international experience. remember this isnt the super 12.

trust me ive seen this happen with the all blacks. i expect a decline over the next year

you said they were s*** NOW, they arent s*** now, clue up fooleh.

They are s*** now :) They arent as s*** as south africa was when they went to s*** but they are pretty crap, especially compared to how they used to be...

Id say your totally wrong epi. Team form has alot to do with individual form and at the moment many players on the team are not playing well. The forward pack as a whole isnt playing together well and this does show. Break down play is pretty blah and lineouts are s***. The backs individually arent too hot either. The team as a whole could play together alot better but it needs to start individually and ATM this is not the case.

he is 28.

hhaha, you say they are playing well aye. let me tell you this: gregan, burke, kefu and larkham played average at best on saturday night. in international rugby playing average does not win you games, and with these players playing in such pivotal positions (scrum half, fly half, fullback) they f** up, the team f**s up, especially against a team of the callibre of the ab's in form.

I thought Kefu had a pretty good game, especially compared with others in the forwards.