Nice idea, I need something like that

Having extra kidneys wouldn't do squat for hangovers though.

Of all the organs to have 4 of, kidneys are the most pointless.

Thats right, all the kidneys do is filter out the wastes and produce urine.

*shrugs* it sounds good...

at least its something to brag about whilst drinking :p

Aren't hangovers caused by dehydration? So having extra kidneys would do f*** all.

Hangovers come from dehydration and kidneys are used for the processing of fluids so I would assume that they can process water more efficiently and don't get dehydrated like everyone else.

If I had a couple of extra kidneys, I'd sell 'em. Better than living in fear of waking up in a bath tub full of ice with slash wounds down my sides.

Dehydration is only one part of the hang over, another is the starvation of glycolysis intermediates.

Id rather have mega livers so that continued heavy drinking wouldnt result in liver failure :P

Check this out then:

In a study comparing the benefits of fatty acids in protecting against ethanol-induced liver damage, one group of animals was fed ethanol and tallow (saturated fat from animals) and a second group was fed ethanol and the unsaturated fatty acid linoleic acid. Results concluded that the animals fed tallow were protected from ethanol induced liver damage, whereas, animals fed linoleic acid d eveloped fatty liver necrosis and inflammation.

A fatty maccas burger during a night of heavy drinking in the city is a good thing. :P

In order to metabolise alcohol the body has to use metabolites from the glycolysis cycle, it also suppresses the activity of the cycle, which means that even if you have eaten the liver is struggling to produce the glucose.

Effectively you go hypoglycaemic (low blood sugar), when that happens your body thinks its in starvation and starts shutting things down it doesn't really need. It starts redirecting blood away from your digestive tract (and if necessary expelling whats there ... by vomiting :() to ensure that the brain and other critical organs get a steady supply. The bodies ability to maintain its body temperature gets a bit shaky, so you might drop half a degree or something.

The reason you get dehydrated is obviously because you piss more, thats related to alcohol suppressing the reabsorbtion action of the kidneys. Caffiene works the same way.

I'm er.. guessing the cause of the fatigue is oxygen starvation to do with what you just said nef. A similar thing happens when you exercise and get a build up of lactate/lactic acid, but because a hangover is caused by a foreign element your body can't deal with it anywhere near as efficiently, especially seeing as it's been affecting your brain ;)

The best thing you can probably do is stimulate your psoas muscles with ice packs (on either side of your belly button down to your groin) which will accelerate the rate at which your body deals with it, as the psoas muscles are linked directly to the part of the nervous system which controls that stuff.
If you were out having a run for example that would already be happening to some degree, but I don't think jogging with a hangover would be a very good idea.

I'm er.. guessing the cause of the fatigue is oxygen starvation to do with what you just said nef.

How did you make that conclusion?

Did you even read what i wrote?

You spaz, read what i wrote. Oxygen has nothing to do with it. Organs need more than oxygen. You're clueless.

Dr Dais vs Dr nF

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Thats a very bad idea. A horrible idea.

Now who's not reading? To quote myself:

If you were out having a run for example that would already be happening to some degree, but I don't think jogging with a hangover would be a very good idea.

Seriously nF, you just backed up what I said with your last post. I'm talking about oxygen starvation at a cellular level and there is a lot more to it than hypoglycaemia.

Put the pieces together: when you exercise you breath more and the negative impact is lessened.
When you drink your body is not in its aerobic cycle and the penalty is a hangover, with other factors affecting that. If you had a hangover and exercised that would make it worse because your body's aerobic cycle is not behaving efficiently, due to - you guessed it, oxygen starvation.


Feel free to offer suggestions on how to deal with a hangover nef.

I would so sell two of em if I had 4 and get some phat cash.

ur a spaz dais

dais seems to have a working practical knowledge of this topic where as you are quoting straight facts nf. I declare dias' explanations more informative so far.

Dais: 1 nf: .5 (has some merit to be sure)

Your explanations sound like those of a HPE teacher.

Oxygen starvation can't really happen if you are breathing, oxygen levels aren't even one of the triggers to increase breathing rate. There is never really a lack of oxygen at a cellular level. As i said, the anerobic "cycle" for muscles is not related to oxygen levels at all. Thats a myth perpetuated by HPE teachers. The reason muscles use anerobic mechanisms is because they can act in a massively parrallel way, they can also react much much faster. And the ATP is generated in the cytoplasm rather than in the mitochondria where the aerobic processes happen. The lag time for aerobic respiration is something in the order of 30+ seconds (i've forgotten the exact number).

I will take that as a compliment, see as I'm trying to explain it in a way other people can understand by giving real life examples.

If you go back and read your original post, then every one I've made following it I'm not disputing what you had to say originally.

In order to metabolise alcohol the body has to use metabolites from the glycolysis cycle, it also suppresses the activity of the cycle, which means that even if you have eaten the liver is struggling to produce the glucose.

Effectively you go hypoglycaemic (low blood sugar), when that happens your body thinks its in starvation and starts shutting things down it doesn't really need. It starts redirecting blood away from your digestive tract (and if necessary expelling whats there ... by vomiting :() to ensure that the brain and other critical organs get a steady supply. The bodies ability to maintain its body temperature gets a bit shaky, so you might drop half a degree or something.

The reason you get dehydrated is obviously because you piss more, thats related to alcohol suppressing the reabsorbtion action of the kidneys. Caffiene works the same way.

i give you 9.75 out of 10 for that explanantion - Shame about no apostrophe for "body's". :)

I remember Dr Karl explaining it once, about causing a slight swelling of the brain causing pressure on a membrane around the skull which has pain receptors or smoe shiz. He also agreed that water was the best hangover retardant.

I gotta admit ever since that I drink plenty of water after a big night out and have never had a drama - and I'm talking like after a whole bottle of bacardi.

Moving in to unchartered territory... the responsiveness of the blood vessels would be negatively affected by alcohol's influence on the brain/nervous system. That is what I've meant all along by oxygen starvation.
When your blood vessels dilate and blood pools, your body releases adrenalin - leading to the glycolosis as you said.
And as for being at a cellular level, the cells aren't going to absorb what they need if the blood supply is deficient in some way. So thinking things through, you can see it's not at odds with what you're saying after all.

That's why what I suggested should work, because you're stimulating that response and increasing the rate of glycolosis.

At least I think so :P

The best way to avoid a hangover is to drink a huge amount of water before you goto bed.

I remember Dr Karl explaining it once, about causing a slight swelling of the brain causing pressure on a membrane around the skull which has pain receptors or smoe shiz. He also agreed that water was the best hangover retardant.

Apparently starchy type foods before you start drinking can also help, because they'll up the amount of glycolysis intermediates. The problem is if you drink for an extended period of time. But yeah, definately water, and i know that one from personal experience.

One thing i'd love to understand is why tap water tastes so bad when you are hung over.

i dont like "doctor" karl overly

i reckon a lot of his info is sus

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Only if you have a girly bladder.

Apparently starchy type foods before you start drinking can also help, because they'll up the amount of glycolysis intermediates.

I always thought it was because they absorbed the alcohol so it doesn't make it into your blood system. I know when ever I have a pasta meal or something similar before going out, it takes me a lot longer to get drunk.

i dont like "doctor" karl overly

i reckon a lot of his info is sus

I remeber he told people to go out and do some experiment to do with TV tubes and lightning. He claimed it was totaly safe until an electrical safty guy rang up and said that if people performed that experiment then they would die. He didn't seem to like admitting that he was wrong.

One thing i'd love to understand is why tap water tastes so bad when you are hung over.

The only thing that taste good when you have a hang over is greasy food :)

i always crave orange juice when im hung over that s*** is the f*****g bomb