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UFOoligist John Keel died (ATTN Faceman?)
Charlie
Brisbane, Queensland
399 posts
John Keel has passed. The movie "The Mothman Prophecies" was taken from one of his books. A sad day for pseudo-science.

Edit: Err, the topic should have read "John Keel" not "Kael Obit. Teach me for watching TV while making a post haha.
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FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
1205 posts
One my fav blogs had a writeup on him but i must admit i didnt know much about him.
http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/

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Mr Hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
5202 posts
that's cos you're a FRAUD
09:25pm 07/07/09 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
1206 posts
Or thats what the Illuminati would want you to believe.
10:17pm 07/07/09 Permalink
Sipawhore
Brisbane, Queensland
83 posts
Faceman you seen obama deception yet? f**ken bilderberg group.

anyways sad news...dont know who he is LOL
10:29pm 07/07/09 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
1207 posts
seeing as how someone mentioned UFOs i thought you might be interested in this recent UFO. Watch closely at 4:38
hard to explain that.


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FraktuRe
Gold Coast, Queensland
1022 posts
looks like a bunch of birds to me, with a retarded camera.
11:05pm 07/07/09 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
1897 posts
hard to explain that.

It's hard to explain why the narrator/filmer/uploader would draw the conclusion that the sphere is intelligent. Doesn't look too intelligent to me.
11:13pm 07/07/09 Permalink
Syco
Brisbane, Queensland
400 posts
looks like a bunch of birds to me, with a retarded camera


Yeah, they always zoom right the hell into digital zoom and not use a tripod, pretty sure they do it on purpose so it shows it as something that *might* look like a lot of things instead of looking like the normal explainable thing it does look like.
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Superform
Netherlands
5700 posts
typical mind manipulation trick.. telling people what it is before they see it.. that way they are more inclined to believe its what they said it was..

if you just showed the footage.. i would say it was some birds fighting
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Reverend Evil™
Wynnum, Queensland
16598 posts
I didn't watch the video but I'm betting the picture is either fuzzy/shakey/out of focus - just like all ufo footage
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paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
10051 posts
pretty much
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FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
1208 posts
So no explanations ?
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Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
3722 posts
So no explanations ?

You didn't read the posts saying it was birds?
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demon
Brisbane, Queensland
4461 posts
the yellow dots are obviously goldfish. genetically modified flying light-bending killer goldfis***@#!# :D
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BillyHardball
Brisbane, Queensland
9397 posts
Always remember: Separate pieces of poor evidence don't aggregate together into a single piece of good evidence. You can stack cowpies as high as you want, but they won't turn into a bar of gold.

-Brian Dunning, www.skeptoid.com
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JakeG
Brisbane, Queensland
653 posts
I'm sure there is some good evidence that suprisingly hasn't managed to find its way to ausforums..
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paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
10055 posts
i'm sure it's no more credible or useful than anything else we've had posted on here

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BillyHardball
Brisbane, Queensland
9399 posts
I'm sure there is some good evidence that suprisingly hasn't managed to find its way to ausforums..

Wait a second - the burden of proof isn't on us ("us" being the disbelievers). The burden of proof is on the person making a claim. In this case, the burden of proof is on Faceman, and him simply saying "you can't give me an alternative explanation" isn't proof. The only evidence he has is a s***** video where you can't see what the hell is going on.
02:33pm 08/07/09 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
9929 posts
I'm interested in hearing what the alternative to providing faceman with an explanation is. Like, if the 50 or so people who read this thread can't provide an explanation, what must we be looking at here?
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BillyHardball
Brisbane, Queensland
9402 posts
Could you please also tell me what is going on in this fMRI below (what is driving the difference between the control and the conductors?):
http://www.uncg.edu/mus/mri/neuromusical_clip_image004.gif
Assuming that not many people in this thread can accurately explain this data, is it safe for me to assume the answer is aliens? Did aliens cause this difference?

The answer is, no. Just because there isn't an apparent explanation that a lot of people are aware of, it doesn't mean there is not a completely rational explanation for something.

I apologise for the double negative, so to clarify, I'll reiterate the point I already made. The burden of proof is on the person making a claim. So far there isn't enough proof that we can conclude it's anything special (further beyond no one being able to explain what it is).

I'm interested in hearing what the alternative to providing faceman with an explanation is. Like, if the 50 or so people who read this thread can't provide an explanation, what must we be looking at here?


Let's use some critical thinking skills and assume that we are hypothesis testing. We can have 2 options: 1, the null hypothesis, the video isn't a UFO; and 2, the alternative hypothesis, the video IS a UFO. What we need to do is gather evidence to REJECT THE NULL. We always assume there isn't something, until we see proof that there is. So, do we have enough evidence to reject the null?

Well what we have is a shoddy video of something that no one here can label. Just because we can't label what is going on in the video does not constitute evidence to reject the null.

Evidence to reject the null would be a video that is a complete, clear and unambiguous. For example, where is the end of the video? What happens to the yellow object? Does it fly away? Does it land? Surely if someone with a camera thought they saw a UFO they would record it until it disappeared... right? I certainly wouldn't stop after 1 minute and say, "Well hey, that's enough crappy footage to convince the harshest skeptic!"

Once again, just because there isn't yet an obvious answer, doesn't mean we should jump to the most fantastic conclusion.

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FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
1212 posts
Unidentified
Flying
Object

Nobody can offer up an alternative explanation which makes it a UFO.
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taggs
Brisbane, Queensland
2705 posts
ahaha but it just looks like some birds digitally zoomed really far in on a really s***** shakey camera. it's hardly unidentified.
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Phooks
Brisbane, Queensland
1463 posts
it's unidentified because it's taken by a drunken hillbilly cameraphone

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Superform
Netherlands
5703 posts
I’m sure there’s a 1000's of ways i could shoot a video so you don’t know what it is

For example i screw up some foil and throw it in the air with 1 hand and zoom in and film it in the other.. Just cause you don’t know what i threw doesn’t make it a alien craft or UFO

in this case it can’t be identified.. it’s not that it unidentifiable.. give me a better pic and i'll identify it for you
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JakeG
Brisbane, Queensland
655 posts
Came across this doco, pretty recent (november 2008).
Ft. Dan Aykroyd



Theres 10 parts, good watch if you have time :>

*edit* no birds in this vid.

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taggs
Brisbane, Queensland
2707 posts
ahahaha the dude in that doco is David Serada, author of such academically robust books as:

Mona Lisa's Little Secret
Are you ready to go beyond the Da Vinci Code? Be among the first people in the world to learn Leonardo Da Vinci's greatest secret about the Divine Feminine and the true image of God. The Mona Lisa is arguably the most famous painting in the history of the world. Leonardo Da Vinci hid secrets in the Mona Lisa that are so powerful, the church would kill to protect it, and the inquisition would have burned Da Vinci at the stake if he revealed it. He had to hide his most treasured wisdom and secrets in the painting itself. This new discovery is far beyond the reaches of the Da Vinci Code and will enlighten the world to a truth so thought provoking, you will be left in awe! Da Vinci was more than a genius. He was a prophet! Get the DVD at: www.VoiceEntertainment.net

Singularity
Did God of the Old Testament, Krishna, Pythagoras, Buddha and Jesus speak in a secret language of quantum physics that no one would understand until now? If there is a code that can unlock the matrix of War, Disease, Death, Space and Time, Singularity is it! Singularity unlocks the code to the most profound enigmatic questions human beings face: Where are we in the universal map? How did we get here and why are we stuck here? Why do we face disease old age and death? Why is war part of our reality? Finally, why are we stuck on a small planet, unable to move faster than the speed of light? It is almost as if the material universe has a secret code, that unless discovered and broken, humanity remains imprisoned unable to conquer the vast distances between Earth and other Star systems where intelligent life might exist. Human beings do not have regular, accurate contact with the Divine Architect of the Universe. Why? We are trapped unless we can decode Space and Time.

Evidence, the Case for NASA UFOs
After conducting a 6-year scientific study into UFOs appearing on NASA Space Shuttle Missions throughout the 1990s, David Sereda reveals his findings. Complete volume with direct correspondence from NASA scientists and astronauts. Has NASA made contact with Extraterrestrial Intelligence? Is there a cover-up? Do NASA engineers study the UFO phenomenon to advance Aerospace Propulsion and Reverse Engineer alien technology? Do we know whom our visitors are?


how can you retards buy into this s*** when a quick google search shows the guys is clearly a kook manipulating other kooks by pretending to know s*** in order to sell s***** books/DVDs?

source: http://www.lulu.com/davidsereda
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