Heyas,
I have a TNT2 for pretty much forever now and its time to upgrade while I have some cash on me. Two options ive been looking at are the Gainward GF3ti200 ( http://www.pcrange.biz/prod_gwgf3.html ) and GF4ti4200 ( http://www.pcrange.biz/prod_gwgf4.html ) As you can see the GF3 is $239 and the GF4 is $319. Im trying to spend as little as possible as I dont have a job - and to get the best increase in performance/being able to use it in future games. My system is a duron1gig w/ 512 ram. Just wondering if I would notice any difference on FPS using a GF3 vs GF4 when I only have a duron 1gig? I was pretty keen on the GF4, but I need to wait till its in stock, and I found the GF3 cheaper. Thanks in advance. |
The bottleneck would be your cpu, so i'd say you will see *some* improvements,but you wouldn't be using the full capacity for your vid card. Go for the Gf4
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get whichever you can afford when it comes time to buy. I bought a Ti4200 from pcrange (a 128MB Golden Sample version) and I'm *very* happy with it.
Some games will have a large improvement when using a Ti4200 as opposed to a Ti200, and others won't have much (being more dependant on CPU/memory). So whichever you can afford :) |
One thing I'd like to point out, is that you will see a rather big increase in performance going from a TNT2 to a GeForce based card. This is due to the so-called "GPU" on-board a GeForce. Basically, a GPU takes a HUGE load off the CPU (when dealing with relatively slow CPUs) by taking care of the T&L (hardware T&L) among other things. When you have a videocard _without_ a GPU, the CPU has to perform the T&L (software T&L) which consumes a massive amount of CPU power.
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erm isnt a TNT2 card stand alone? I thought it was the first Nvidia card to come out with a GPU on the card. In other words do you have to also run another 2D card with it?
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eYe_kAnDy - You're a bit confused. All the TNT cards handle both 2D and 3D. Hunter's talking about T&L (Transform & Lighting) which are two steps in the 3D rendering pipeline. Traditionally the CPU would do these steps, because video cards didn't have the power to do it themselves, but now (after the release of cards like the Geforce) video cards do this sort of s*** as a standard feature, so there's less of a load on your CPU, which leaves it free to do other stuff.
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I'm not quite sure what you mean. A TnT and a Tnt2 are both 2d/3d combo cards and neither has a GPU. GeForce cards are the first consumer card to come out with a GPU (Geometry Processing Unit). Whilst a GPU doesn't draw the geometry (that's still done by the CPU) it does perform Transform and Lighting, which is/was done by the CPU if the videocard doesn't have the ability to perform it.
A very very simple description is this: up until the GeForce a 3D accelerator card only "painted" the scene (ie filled in the polygons). 3D cards with a GPU will still "paint" a scene but they do some of the work that would ordinarily be done by the CPU. I hope that made sense, I don't think it did though. EDIT: I didn't realise tael had posted when I hit post reply (I took ages to finish writing this post :)) |
*cough* taken from nividia.com *cough*
Graphics Processing Unit (GPU)so there is no geometry f00 |
What would that imply I wonder... *cough*. That aside, I've seen nvidia literature refer to it as a "Geometry Processing Unit", which technically it is - it _processes_ geometry, not creates it. |
Also, a GPU does not offload ALL tasks... that's marketing bulls*** (if you don't believe me visit a few hardware sites for proof). The CPU still has to DRAW the scene (which will require a decent FPU among other things).
I'm awaiting the arrival of 3DLab's amazing VPU technology myself. |
WarT, if I could be bothered I'd happily provide you with the slick brochure (I collect a lot of crap) which says its a GEOMETRY PROCESSING UNIT. Either way who gives a s*** what it's called - both names imply the same meaning.
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as far as i know GPU has always stood for graphics processing unit.
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http://www.rivastation.com/review/geforces/geforces_2_e.htm
The main new features of the GeForce is the Hardware Transformation and lightning unit. NVIDIA calls it a GPU - a Geometry Processing Unit. Thatīs also the Reason why the chip is called GeForce: 'Ge' for Geometry. |
Thank you Tael :). Vindication is a sweet sweet feeling, right up there with revenge :P.
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well i think ud have to agree with something off Nvidia's offical site over some review place.
Maybe it does stand for both, who cares i dont. |
Marketing is such a powerful tool. |
i dont really understand how they would gain greater marketing by making GPU stand for Graphics Processing Unit and not Geometry Processing Unit...
thats just stupid |
No, my point is that they can say whatever they want regardless of how truthful it is and people will believe it. I mean, a lot of people now believe a GPU removes all 3D work from the CPU thanks to disinformation by nvidia's marketeers. This disinformation is then "passed down the chain" and becomes extremely difficult to overcome.
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You must have missed the part where I said I had an nvidia brochure with GEOMETRY PROCESSING UNIT on it so here it is:
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Another site that says Geometry:
http://www17.tomshardware.com/graphic/00q2/000427/geforce2-02.html |
Here's something from the flight gear website on the topic of 3D rendering
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the eye kandy post was me on his puta
I used to have a Voodoo 2 and u needed to have a 2d card for it to plug into :) |
Ok that was a very obfusicated way of explaining it :). Sorta like spaghetti-code (using goto in C should be punishable by some sort of pain!).
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Yes both the Voodoo 1, 2 and some other one (can't recall the name) were 3D only. They (3dfx) released a 2d/3d combo card but it was flop due to extremely poor performance, though it was advanced for its time in that it used AGP as opposed to PCI. |
Leave it to hunter to completely change topic and f*** up a thread just by trying to be smart.
To answer your question Nikloas, I think you should go for the Gainward GF3ti200 to save the cash. The performance difference wouldn't be worth spending the extra cash on the GF4, because of your slightly older cpu. When it comes time to upgrade your cpu (for Doom 3 of course =D), you'll want to get a new video card as well to keep up with it and by that time there will be much better video cards around than the gf4. Get the gf3 to save the cash because the gf4 isn't worth it. Hope I've helped you make a decision. |
Hunter, 3dfx released the Voodoo Banshee as a combo 2D/3D combo card/chipset, and from what I remember it did really well. Offered the best 2D performance on the mainstream video card market at the time (NVidea's TNT chipset was yet to be released) and the 3D performance rivaled that of the Voodoo 2. Brilliant little card for it's time.
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Ok that was a very obfusicated way of explaining it :). Sorta like spaghetti-code (using goto in C should be punishable by some sort of pain!).WTF are you talking about. |
BACK ON TOPIC
To answer your question Nikloas, I think you should go for the Gainward GF3ti200 to save the cash. The performance difference wouldn't be worth spending the extra cash on the GF4, because of your slightly older cpu. Now quit rambling and stay on topic everyone! |
The explanation you cut and pasted (I had read it before though) was overly complicated with 1s and 2s and 3s all over the place. I'm sure the author intended it to be a simple explanation for the layman but there are easier ways. |
You're a retard hunter as if that is hard to read you just lack reading skills.
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I can read it, but it's not pretty to read...
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